rachel maddow approvingly quotes bill kristol, without snarky comments. "read about some conservative organizations and campaigns these days, one is reminded of eric hoffer's remark, every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business and eventually degenerates into a racket. it may be that major parts of american conservativism have become such a racket that a kind of refounding of the movement as a cause is necessary." joining us tonight for the interview is frank rich. he is "new york" magazine writer at large. mr. rich, it's great to have you here. >> great to be here as always. >> in part, i enjoy these stories because it is fun to figure out ways that people have managed to do politics in a way that works out to be a great business for themselves. >> free market principles. the market all goes, accrues to them. >> i sort of wonder about that. should it be okay at freedomworks that you scam people out of their money, thinking it's for the campaign and it really just gets spent on something that you're going to profit from? should that be okay?